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runninglollipop LV9

发表于 28-2-2011 11:22:10 | 显示全部楼层

WAYNEWEI 发表于 28-2-2011 11:06
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地铁四美到tampine是2分钟,tampine到巴西立是3分钟。这是MRT官网的数字,不 ...

得,我们又“杠”上了
不知道为什么你总说以市区为基准,我就住在CBD,算市区吧,可是从pasir ris 打车回家,晚上非繁忙时段也要超过半个小时的说。
smrt官网上的时间只是一个indication,并没有算上车下车的人潮和其他因素,我算过非繁忙时段坐地铁从cityhall到tampines,要25-26分钟,按官网的算法,这个时间应该可以到pasir ris了,事实并不是如此嘛。
好啦,我就此打住,在别人的投资帖子里争论不太相关的内容不太好,小瓶瓶,不好意思哈。

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没事没事,各抒己见,哈哈  详情 回复 发表于 1-3-2011 00:05

shansg LV10

发表于 28-2-2011 13:36:11 | 显示全部楼层

小狮租房
如果要讨论这两个地方哪里的房子更有价值, 更有空间, 偶不懂不敢乱发言.

但如果只是比较到市区的距离,  地图摊开谁远谁近一目了然啊, 有什么好争的.

还不如比较这两个地区具体的楼盘孰优孰劣比较有意义.

runninglollipop LV9

发表于 28-2-2011 15:12:07 | 显示全部楼层

都是我不好,悔了小瓶瓶的帖子!

runninglollipop LV9

发表于 28-2-2011 15:12:54 | 显示全部楼层

都是我不好,悔了小瓶瓶的帖子!

yishun2009 LV17

发表于 28-2-2011 16:44:53 | 显示全部楼层

本帖最后由 yishun2009 于 28-2-2011 17:10 编辑

在新加坡,有车的话,住哪都不远;没车的话,就要看住哪了,当然是越靠近这个菱形的下角越好,没什么好争的。

如果非得在两者间比较,感觉上蛋饼泥好点,有那么多的购物中心。从西到东地铁坐到物落,耐心快崩溃了。所以两个地方对我来说,都够远的,多么便宜买什么我都不会买到那么远的地方。(纯属个人意见,决无得罪住在那的童鞋的意思)

yishun2009 LV17

发表于 28-2-2011 18:11:16 | 显示全部楼层

本帖最后由 yishun2009 于 28-2-2011 18:17 编辑

有时候买东西,人家要价已经要到你的预算以外了,可商家会说,才贵那么一点点啊,再加那么一点钱,你就可以得到。。。。

楼上提到的临界点说法很准确。20分钟与25分钟就差5分钟,但是20分钟已经是极限了,那多出的5分钟就是50分钟的感觉了。

说到底,印象感觉很重要。可能在人们传统印象中,机场大都位于离市区很远的地方。巴西立蛋饼泥都在机场方向,所以“天然”地造成地方听上去很远的“偏见”。而偏见往往就是人们头脑中的“事实”。

小瓶瓶 LV15

发表于 2-3-2011 23:24:18 | 显示全部楼层

这个tropicana单位帖子显示已经过期。。。不知道是卖掉了还是怎样。。。。

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可能卖了,也可能租了,或者改变主意自住了,都有可能吧。欲知详情,下个月可以去ura查查,呵呵,我太八卦了  详情 回复 发表于 2-3-2011 23:34

yishun2009 LV17

发表于 3-3-2011 09:35:05 | 显示全部楼层

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我举的例子是适合的。从买家的感受讲,买家购物时被价格上加价,和买家买房时距离上加远,都是买家不原意接受的。但是商家或卖家(或中介)都想处成交易,就会多说如果之后的好处,如果怎样,那么就怎样。比如多加几百,会得到更多功能;如再坐5分钟,你会少付多少钱。从这个角度上说,这都是一样的。
回到买房选址上讲,有人对地点要求高,及去市区的时间,所以在选址上过了哪里就不考虑;有人对价格敏感,可以牺牲时间,权重不同,故出发点不同,得到的结论是不同的。
还是心理极限或底线是最重要的。感觉可能不客观,但人们是跟着感觉走的。

freesoul99 LV5

发表于 3-3-2011 09:46:57 | 显示全部楼层

本帖最后由 freesoul99 于 3-3-2011 09:48 编辑
yishun2009 发表于 3-3-2011 09:35
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我举的例子是适合的。从买家的感受讲,买家购物时被价格上加价,和买家买房时距离上 ...


前一段看过一篇文章,将房子价格和到CBD的距离量化,很有趣。转过来大家瞧瞧:

Connecting the dots in S'pore condo prices  

Klaus Spremann And Weini Zhang
Fri, Jan 28, 2011
The Business Times
        
  

WHEN property owners or investors make their decisions to buy or to sell, they usually form expectations of how prices of property are changing in general over time. These changes are driven by common perception of the scarcity of land, the number of developments in the pipeline and estates under construction; by shifts in the rate of interest or inflation; and by political measures.

Such factors put property as an asset class in bright sunshine, or at times, in dim light. But concluding whether a particular real estate object is to be considered cheap or expensive requires a second line of reasoning.

In Singapore, like in all other countries, property is a heterogeneous asset class. Although condos can have up to a thousand units, the units differ in size, view, and other characteristics. Among the many estates in Singapore, their heterogeneity refers to the location, to the age, the reputation of the developer and other features of the condominium. Such particularities are mirrored in relative prices.

Relative prices, for example, consider the multiple of the per square foot (psf) of a condo in the central business district to the psf in suburban areas. Likewise, relative prices reflect the relation between the psf of a freehold condo to one having a 99-year lease or the typical relation of the price of a condo in walking distance to a MRT station, to the psf of a condo that is further away from public transport facilities.

Thus, a prospective owner or investor should also take note of whether the condo under consideration looks cheap or expensive with respect to the typical relative prices. Relative prices appear to remain stable over a longer period of time, although they might be different in Hong Kong or London from Singapore.

Relative prices can be determined with hedonic models, which were developed by American economists 30 years ago. Although hedonic models are regularly used to explore particularities of the real estate markets in America, England, Hong Kong and other markets, we can present a few new insights by adopting the model to Singapore.

Our model considers structural attributes such as the age, project characteristics such as tenure and facilities, the type of sale (at launch or subsale), and characteristics of accessibility and neighbourhood such as the distance to the Central Business District (CBD), to schools and shopping centres.

All 9,029 transactions (2009) of 470 different condominium projects, reported by the Real Estate Information System (Realis), have been used as inputs to the hedonic model.

The study confirmed that distance to the CBD is among all other factors the most important characteristic in influencing the price of a condominium. Based on the results, the price of a condominium (in psf) increases by 3 per cent for every 1km closer to the CBD.

In addition, prestige of the neighbourhood, age and tenure of a condominium are found to be major determinants in explaining condominium prices. An interesting finding is that for every 10 per cent increase in percentage of private properties in the neighbourhood, the price of a condominium increases by about 4 per cent.

In other words, buyers are willing to pay 4 per cent more for a condominium if the percentage of private properties in the neighbourhood increases by 10 per cent.Buyers might perceive a neighbourhood with high concentration of private properties as a form of prestige or they take this as a signal of more lifestyle facilities being nearby.

Launch discount As expected, the price of a condominium decreases by about 1.5 per cent per year on average as it ages. This could be due to depreciation of the condominium such as its design and electrical systems, thus incurring higher maintenance, renovation and repair fees. The difference between freehold or 99-year leases accounts for 8 per cent.

Our study also revealed the magnitude of the price discount associated with buying at launch. In Singapore, it amounts to 7 per cent.

A person who is buying later in a subsale has the advantage of selecting condos with successful launches. Thus, the price discount of 7 per cent compensates the early bird for the uncertainty of how a development will be accepted during the several launches.

Our research also looked at proximity to premier primary schools. The price of a condominium located within 1km radius of at least one primary school is on average 3.9 per cent higher than one without close proximity to a top primary school.

A subject of many discussions in Singapore is low-rise versus high-rise. The model shows that the ground floor condominium is subjected to a price discount, meaning that home buyers on average are less willing to pay for a ground floor condominium compared to other floors. Furthermore, home buyers are willing to pay more for high-floor units (16th floor and above), compared to middle floor units (7th to 15th floor). We also confirmed that superstition for unlucky floor units is capitalised into the price of condominiums.

The number four is commonly known as an unlucky number among the Chinese. The price discount could also be explained by the fact that home buyers avoid staying on an unlucky floor as they are worried that it may harm the future resale price of the unit.

There is only weak empirical confirmation of the hypothesis though, that selling a unit on the eighth floor yields a hefty extra premium in a subsale. If you are not superstitious and plan to sell in a subsale, don't pay a fee for the eighth floor when you visit a launch event.

The writers are, respectively a professor at the University of St Gallen and an analyst at Goldman Sachs



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hedonic model 上学的时候学过,从来没想过学以致用,差距啊!文章好到位,解答了我心中的几个疑惑,多谢分享!  详情 回复 发表于 3-3-2011 10:46
一公里3个点,够猛!顺序:地点,私宅密度,折旧折扣,学校,高层,吉利号。  详情 回复 发表于 3-3-2011 10:24

真烦人 LV11

发表于 3-3-2011 10:44:09 | 显示全部楼层

The number four is commonly known as an unlucky number among the Chinese. The price discount could also be explained by the fact that home buyers avoid staying on an unlucky floor as they are worried that it may harm the future resale price of the unit.

这倒是说得很对。虽然喜欢四楼看出去的景色(一般公寓要池景的话,四楼的高度正好)而且我们自己一点都不迷信,但每次考虑到转售时可能会遇到不喜欢4的买家,就只好放弃了。
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